Citizenship

Coloured from birth

Well done, Ireland. We should be very proud of ourselves for voting to change the Constitution.

Won’t it be great to live in this Ireland of the future? No waiting for operations, no shortage of hospital beds, with maternity wards full of real Irishwomen and all because we now deny newborn babies the right to be Irish from birth.

Dress it up whatever way you like with talk of loopholes, all we have actually done is to deny newborns the best start in this world because they are black. If that is not racist, then I don’t know what is.

Tom Morrissey,
Portlaw,
Co Waterford.

Ireland offers the best start in the world? My God Tom, if you think Ireland is the best place in the world to be a citizen of, you really need to travel a bit and see what’s beyond the Waterford border.

What we really voted for in this referendum

An interesting read from today’s Irish Examiner opinion section

BY voting for the anomalous citizenship loophole to be closed, the electorate has escaped the tyranny of political correctness and the disingenuous fog that the no side of the citizenship referendum introduced into the debate.

The following were among the most spectacular canards introduced by the no side in the lead-up to the vote.

1. That we are removing this tiny loophole while hundreds of thousands of third-generation “white” American grandchildren are allowed unfettered access to Irish passports by means of the grandparent rule.

In reality, this rule will remain, thereby enabling Irish-born children of Filipino nurses, and babies born to asylum seekers genuinely fleeing persecution and who have resided on this island for three short years, to have citizenship conferred on their children and grandchildren even though they might subsequently have no connection to Ireland in the future.

2. That the preliminary ruling of the European Court in the Chen case, and the condition therein that such families should be self-supporting should they wish to reside in an EU country, unambiguously absolves EU states of providing financial aid to such immigrant families.

In reality, this ‘self-supporting’ condition might well be removed when the European Court most probably ratifies that earlier preliminary ruling.

3. That a yes vote will preclude any future debate on the intricacies of citizenship law and that the amendment was initially proposed without any consultation.

In reality, the amendment, as carried, is actually the precursor to the commencement of wide-ranging cross-party dialogue within which non-governmental organisations will be enabled to have their concerns regarding citizenship and immigration fully fleshed out, after which legislation on citizenship will be enacted.

Eoin McMahon,
Northumberland Road,
Dublin 4

The overwhelming “Yes”

Irish voters have voted an overwhelming yes to the citizenship referendum. 79% were in favour of the change.

Fianna Fail & the PD’s jumped on it straight away with an “I told you so”, claiming the result vindicated their decision to call for the change. Read the full story.

So it went the way I would have voted anyway, that gives me some form of relief.

Racist? Me?

Bertie “I’m not racist” Ahern is at it again. A classic case of spindoctery (is that even a word?) or a few words of truth from an otherwise practiced crap spout?

greens for a no vote

Patricia McKenna, Green party MEP has called for all the undecided to vote no in the upcoming referendum. Speaking at a press conference, she said

the proposed amendment to the Constitution was unclear and unnecessary.


Unclear? How so? At this stage if people don’t know what they are voting for, they shouldn’t be voting.

Unnecessary? I don’t think so. Maybe it’s not at the top of the urgency pile right now, but what about in 10, 25 or even 50 years? What will the citizenship tourism state of Ireland’s EU backdoor status be like then?

If I remember correctly, opinion poll’s show 54% are in support of the referendum to be taken this Friday, with something like 17% undecided.
(Source: RTE News)

Bertie for a yes vote

Micheal Martin is behind it, so there’s no reason why the Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern, wouldn’t be. In fact he’s gone so far as to say;

anything other than a ‘yes’ vote in next Friday’s referendum will allow Irish citizenship laws to remain open to abuse


Not wanting to tar everyone with the same brush however, he stresses that it is certain groups of non-nationals and not 100%. The problem as I see it currently is, Bertie is famous for churning out incredible nonsense at the best of times, so how is anyone going to take this seriously? If only the women’s groups weren’t against you Mr. Ahern, you might have a chance then.

Do airlines have a part in Citizenship Tourism?

IN response to Fionnán Sheahan’s article (Women ‘arrive from airport in labour’, Irish Examiner, May 31) why isn’t action taken at the point of arrival?

The airlines are responsible for accepting the passengers in the first place and if they do so, they should be forced to pay the full maternity costs. At least this way, airlines would establish correct procedures such as requesting a simple doctor’s certificate outlining the state of the pregnancy. If people were unable to fly for medical reasons, the airlines would accept them.

I’m not against non-nationals coming to Ireland and receiving citizenship, but I am against the abuse of the system when numerous others are patiently awaiting a decision on their residency cases.

Cormac Fiddes,

Res Les Pins,
Les Semboules,
Antibes 06600,
France.

So, could more stringent airline operating proceedures help reduce the problem? Or is the whole idea just a flight of fancy? I’d be more inclined to go with the latter.

Micheal Martin for a yes vote

The minister for health has a different plan for the citizenship referendum. Speaking at the launch of the Fianna Fail case this morning in Cork, he said

He accused opponents of the referendum of dealing with everything but the proposal and said that a lot of the debate so far has been dominated by deliberate misrepresentations.

and


Referring to the Chen case and to the numbers of pregnant women travelling here he said ‘it would be irresponsible to know that there is a problem and to step back and do nothing.’

(Source: RTE News)

Doctors for a No vote

The proposed changes to the constitution in the citizenship referendum will fuel the fires of racism, a group of doctors warned today.


This article raises some interesting points why you should vote no in the upcoming citizenship referendum.

Senator Mary Henry commented

that while Justice Minister Michael McDowell was not racist, the referendum was fanning the flames of racism around the country.

No doubt this will become the case. Many racists in this country, both in the closet and out of it) will use the referendum to justify their “Ireland for the Irish” bullshit. I think my main area of interest now on the topic of the referendum isn’t the vote itself, but the incredible outcry a yes vote will yield; or of course the relief for many that a no vote will bring. The choice is, while were still a democracy at least, entirely yours. Use it wisely.

The problem with Citizenship Tourism

By no means is it a new scenario. Non-national women are arriving in Ireland in the late stages of pregnancy with a view to gaining Irish citizenship for their children. The strain on the countries maternity hospitals is “immense”, and of course, is not decreasing.

Back in 2002 Consultant obstetrician and gynaecologist Paul Byrne wrote to Micheál Martin in 2002 to alert him to the worsening situation caused by so-called citizenship tourists and their impact on services at the Rotunda Hospital in Dublin. No racism here folks, Byrne is concerned solely with the running of the hospital. The key points that Byrne is attempting to drive home include;


it was common knowledge that Nigerian women arriving in the latter stages of pregnancy were paying Ł5,000 to an agency to come here.


The increase in African patients was causing Irish patients to go to other hospitals, as they did not want to be in a minority, but were afraid to speak about it for fear of being labelled racist.


The number of non-national births at the hospital has more than doubled since 2000 and as it continues to rise, Mr Byrne says a large number of cases can be ascribed to citizenship tourism.

He sees Ireland as a “back door into the EU” due to the automatic citizenship loophole, which the upcoming referendum seeks to close. Dr. Byrne is, of course, in support of the motion.

If I can be allowed to echo his sentiments, I agree completely. Ireland is being smothered by these “citizenship tourists”, more so economically than anything. Ireland has become Europe’s big softy, allowing practically anyone to seek asylum here. Vote ‘yes’ on referendum day and maybe some other country can be used as Europe’s “back door”.
(Source: Irish Examiner 1 & 2 – reg required)