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		<title>By: paul jennings</title>
		<link>http://blog.rymus.net/2005/10/25/ferns-clerical-abuse/#comment-585</link>
		<dc:creator>paul jennings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it is the most horrendous stuff. The fact that paedophile priests keep coming out of the woodwork is hardly surprising. If Brian Cowen had had the courage to extend the ambit of the trawl of all the other dioceses and not just Dublin and Ferns we would definitely be experiencing more scandal emerging. This is just the tip of the iceberg and no, even if the priests were allowed to marry it would not assuage their paedophile tendencies. This is well documented, as is the new hysteria re. HOMOSEXUALITY. YET ANOTHER smokescreen to draw a veil over the real issue - crooks in costume. It wasn't until I came back to Ireland that I realise why I left it (and for so long,) in the first place. Whatever anyone thinks we're still priest ridden and our taoiseach is not prepared to rock the holy boat. The denial amongst the people of ireland is phenomenal. They must be wondering what is left?
If they had remembered in the first place that they are engaging in a personal relationship with their god and there should be no need for a bullying, corrupt, interfering and maniplating power - a third party which sets out to crush and suffocate the self, the antithesis of what human development is all about. We live in the allegedly fastest growing economy in western Europe but when it comes to mind sets and procedures we are well and truly stuck in the psychopathology of the Valley of Squinting Windows. It's time we woke up to the fact that we have been well and truly conned. Time for the complete ovehaul and rearranging of ALL organised religions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is the most horrendous stuff. The fact that paedophile priests keep coming out of the woodwork is hardly surprising. If Brian Cowen had had the courage to extend the ambit of the trawl of all the other dioceses and not just Dublin and Ferns we would definitely be experiencing more scandal emerging. This is just the tip of the iceberg and no, even if the priests were allowed to marry it would not assuage their paedophile tendencies. This is well documented, as is the new hysteria re. HOMOSEXUALITY. YET ANOTHER smokescreen to draw a veil over the real issue - crooks in costume. It wasn&#8217;t until I came back to Ireland that I realise why I left it (and for so long,) in the first place. Whatever anyone thinks we&#8217;re still priest ridden and our taoiseach is not prepared to rock the holy boat. The denial amongst the people of ireland is phenomenal. They must be wondering what is left?<br />
If they had remembered in the first place that they are engaging in a personal relationship with their god and there should be no need for a bullying, corrupt, interfering and maniplating power - a third party which sets out to crush and suffocate the self, the antithesis of what human development is all about. We live in the allegedly fastest growing economy in western Europe but when it comes to mind sets and procedures we are well and truly stuck in the psychopathology of the Valley of Squinting Windows. It&#8217;s time we woke up to the fact that we have been well and truly conned. Time for the complete ovehaul and rearranging of ALL organised religions.</p>
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		<title>By: Seamus Breathnach</title>
		<link>http://blog.rymus.net/2005/10/25/ferns-clerical-abuse/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator>Seamus Breathnach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter how many times we return to the Fern's Report one feels  that the Irish State is still in the awful clutches of unrelenting and inauthentic Church.

First of all there is no real analysis of what its findings mean. Of course, everyone is outraged; but there is little analysis in terms of the broader issues. 

Why was the Criminology Department of Rathmines -- the only critical post-graduate school in the Republic -- the first casualty of clerical abuses,  while with the demise of the one  the priests were at the same time inaugurating another department in UCD (University College Dublin), the Bishop of Dublin's own University? The UCD Department has managed to avoid one word of criticism agaisnt the RC Church throughout the whole process by which , in a touch-and-go manner, the revelations eventually emerged.

It may come as a surprise to some people,but the last President of Ireland and the present one,the two Marys, Mary Robinson and Mary McAleese were professors of criminology. The present President was also adviser to the Bishops. My point here is simply that criminology interfaces with both the crime and the powerul pedophile-protecting church, so any appointments made were of some interest to the Church and its secret operatives in Opus Dei who jealously bestrode the  corridors of Irish academic power. For it is not only the primary schools that are controlled by the Chruch , but the third level colleges and universities as well. Nothing is beneath the inquistional gaze of the Irish church. Indeed,  a hundred years ago they brought down Parnell, the uncrowned king of Ireland for sexual impropriety; he wanted to marry the woman he loved. As the Yeats with some gratification reminds us :

But stories that live longest 
are sung above the glass
and Parnell loved his country 
and Parnell loved his lass.

Why in the mid 1970s , after two Penal Commissions, no focus or reference was made to what was going on; yet we now know that the Vatican knew about these things, politicians knew about them, Opus Dei lawyers knew about them, and the Commissoiner of the Garda Siochana may have known about them, not to mention numerous Jesuits, priests and nuns? 

Why was there no connection made between the decades of secrecy and the widespread power of Opus Dei throghout Irish society? Why are all those involved in advising the Fianna Fail party as well as the Church authorities , not only given to absolute silence throughout, but raised to the bench afterwards? .  And what advices did those advisers give for such a long period:? Did they -- as with the clerics -- not know that raping children was a criminal offfence?:

There is a frightening connection between Church and State in Ireland. Ireland is uniquely the only country in the world that actually constrained its citizens to pay by way of taxation for most  of the clerical damages accruing to the victims  - a small matter that would have gone as unnoticed as the scandals themselves had it not been for a couple of  English reporters.

The real connection between what happened in Ferns and what the Church's responsibilty for it has never been questioned seriously. According to one Bishop 'celibacy' is to blame. But celibacy might be an excuse for adult males to seek out adult females; it can hardly excuse the preponderance of crimes committed on young male children. And in any event 'celibacy' cannot excuse the dangerous lies perpetrating the further exploitation of the victims by Bishops holding Doctorates in Divinity. Neither does the slur on homosexuals work. 

It is apparent that the real issue is the RC Church's view of sexuality in the round. Ever since the Christian Conquest of Ireland fertility for the empire has been the main object of Irish sexuality. The unhealthy separation of the sexes in the schools for so long, the setting aside of Sile-na-Gig, the ancient Goddess of sexuality and the exclusive promotion of the Virgin Mary was the making of Irish motherhood. Sex as fertility was monitored on all fronts by a celibate priesthood and this sinister ensemble is reflected in their inability to engage a full healthy heterosexual relationship. Consequently, the victim preyed upon cannot reproduce; the victim was not fully grown or assertive; the victim was captive; and the victim was exploited through his and his parents' lack of critical awareness. Of course the insult is at bottom an insult to irish womanhood; but even here the implications are not pressed home. 

The RC Church in  Ireland managed to change the whole criminal jsutice system to avoid guilt. In effect it was an exercise in total immorality for the State not to allow its citizens to raise their opinions and register their abhorrence at the crimes, in the absence of which we have the most suspect political shifts. The argument is totally confined to the great imperial Chruch and its endless lawyers , economists and ministers of State versus the victims.  No social scientists are allowed to speak onthe subject, not least becasue the Church has never allowed the species to develop lest it thread upon its universal toes. 

The Taoiseach has confided that the Chruch owns over 90% of the State's schools (from three to four thousand of them) , and , in the face of the findings off the Fern's Report , has added that Irish education would be impossible without them. it would appear that there will be no effort made for the Irish Republic to change any institutional  matter respecting the awful power of the most deeply flawed  imperial church in existence.

And with Sinn Fein/IRA now coming in from the cold, their dependence on the Catholic vote -- not that they would say boo to the Church if they raped the whole nation -- is expected to shore up an already incredibly atavistic society, where, notwithstanding the Fern's findings, all one hears is empty expressions of outrage -- nothing -- nothing by way off action orientated reforms.

No; I'm wrong. The dynamic Minister for Justice has promsed that  a Circuit Court Judge, Ms Evonne Murphy, will  enquire into the proprieties and improprieties (if any) of the treatment of clercial complaints in the archdiocese of Dublin. No one doubts Judge Murphy's competence or professionalism; but everyone knows that a Circuit Court Judge cannot possibly trump a Bishop, and an Irish Bishop in Ireland at that! Talk about Cardinal Law! Of course the least that should have happened is that she be given the power of a High Court judge. Senior Counsel Sean Ryan was made up before he chaired the Commission on clerical complaints and the author of the Fern's Report was a retiring High Court judge. So, what is the government up to,in spancelling the investigation it purportedly wants to make thorough? Again , no politicians have anything to say about this procedure, which must make one pause and ponder yet again the whole apparatus of Church and State in Ireland. 

One cannot get away from the obvious. The Republic of Ireland may have freed itself from the British Empire,but it never managed to do so from the Holy Roman empire. Indeed, thinking of those three-to- four thousand schools, the power and sway the church has in matters of policy, ethics; the extensive pervasion of the secret society of Opus Dei; the absence of any difference between the parties in the State and the endless arrangements to meet every requirement the Church requires, forces one to an awful -- almost Spanish conclusion -- that the Irish Church has recently made a  phone call to one Generalissimo Franco and that he may soon arrive, if he isn't already in Leinster House.

WWW.IRISHCRIMINOLOGY.COM



Seamus Breathnach










the whole matter botched from beginning to end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how many times we return to the Fern&#8217;s Report one feels  that the Irish State is still in the awful clutches of unrelenting and inauthentic Church.</p>
<p>First of all there is no real analysis of what its findings mean. Of course, everyone is outraged; but there is little analysis in terms of the broader issues. </p>
<p>Why was the Criminology Department of Rathmines &#8212; the only critical post-graduate school in the Republic &#8212; the first casualty of clerical abuses,  while with the demise of the one  the priests were at the same time inaugurating another department in UCD (University College Dublin), the Bishop of Dublin&#8217;s own University? The UCD Department has managed to avoid one word of criticism agaisnt the RC Church throughout the whole process by which , in a touch-and-go manner, the revelations eventually emerged.</p>
<p>It may come as a surprise to some people,but the last President of Ireland and the present one,the two Marys, Mary Robinson and Mary McAleese were professors of criminology. The present President was also adviser to the Bishops. My point here is simply that criminology interfaces with both the crime and the powerul pedophile-protecting church, so any appointments made were of some interest to the Church and its secret operatives in Opus Dei who jealously bestrode the  corridors of Irish academic power. For it is not only the primary schools that are controlled by the Chruch , but the third level colleges and universities as well. Nothing is beneath the inquistional gaze of the Irish church. Indeed,  a hundred years ago they brought down Parnell, the uncrowned king of Ireland for sexual impropriety; he wanted to marry the woman he loved. As the Yeats with some gratification reminds us :</p>
<p>But stories that live longest<br />
are sung above the glass<br />
and Parnell loved his country<br />
and Parnell loved his lass.</p>
<p>Why in the mid 1970s , after two Penal Commissions, no focus or reference was made to what was going on; yet we now know that the Vatican knew about these things, politicians knew about them, Opus Dei lawyers knew about them, and the Commissoiner of the Garda Siochana may have known about them, not to mention numerous Jesuits, priests and nuns? </p>
<p>Why was there no connection made between the decades of secrecy and the widespread power of Opus Dei throghout Irish society? Why are all those involved in advising the Fianna Fail party as well as the Church authorities , not only given to absolute silence throughout, but raised to the bench afterwards? .  And what advices did those advisers give for such a long period:? Did they &#8212; as with the clerics &#8212; not know that raping children was a criminal offfence?:</p>
<p>There is a frightening connection between Church and State in Ireland. Ireland is uniquely the only country in the world that actually constrained its citizens to pay by way of taxation for most  of the clerical damages accruing to the victims  - a small matter that would have gone as unnoticed as the scandals themselves had it not been for a couple of  English reporters.</p>
<p>The real connection between what happened in Ferns and what the Church&#8217;s responsibilty for it has never been questioned seriously. According to one Bishop &#8216;celibacy&#8217; is to blame. But celibacy might be an excuse for adult males to seek out adult females; it can hardly excuse the preponderance of crimes committed on young male children. And in any event &#8216;celibacy&#8217; cannot excuse the dangerous lies perpetrating the further exploitation of the victims by Bishops holding Doctorates in Divinity. Neither does the slur on homosexuals work. </p>
<p>It is apparent that the real issue is the RC Church&#8217;s view of sexuality in the round. Ever since the Christian Conquest of Ireland fertility for the empire has been the main object of Irish sexuality. The unhealthy separation of the sexes in the schools for so long, the setting aside of Sile-na-Gig, the ancient Goddess of sexuality and the exclusive promotion of the Virgin Mary was the making of Irish motherhood. Sex as fertility was monitored on all fronts by a celibate priesthood and this sinister ensemble is reflected in their inability to engage a full healthy heterosexual relationship. Consequently, the victim preyed upon cannot reproduce; the victim was not fully grown or assertive; the victim was captive; and the victim was exploited through his and his parents&#8217; lack of critical awareness. Of course the insult is at bottom an insult to irish womanhood; but even here the implications are not pressed home. </p>
<p>The RC Church in  Ireland managed to change the whole criminal jsutice system to avoid guilt. In effect it was an exercise in total immorality for the State not to allow its citizens to raise their opinions and register their abhorrence at the crimes, in the absence of which we have the most suspect political shifts. The argument is totally confined to the great imperial Chruch and its endless lawyers , economists and ministers of State versus the victims.  No social scientists are allowed to speak onthe subject, not least becasue the Church has never allowed the species to develop lest it thread upon its universal toes. </p>
<p>The Taoiseach has confided that the Chruch owns over 90% of the State&#8217;s schools (from three to four thousand of them) , and , in the face of the findings off the Fern&#8217;s Report , has added that Irish education would be impossible without them. it would appear that there will be no effort made for the Irish Republic to change any institutional  matter respecting the awful power of the most deeply flawed  imperial church in existence.</p>
<p>And with Sinn Fein/IRA now coming in from the cold, their dependence on the Catholic vote &#8212; not that they would say boo to the Church if they raped the whole nation &#8212; is expected to shore up an already incredibly atavistic society, where, notwithstanding the Fern&#8217;s findings, all one hears is empty expressions of outrage &#8212; nothing &#8212; nothing by way off action orientated reforms.</p>
<p>No; I&#8217;m wrong. The dynamic Minister for Justice has promsed that  a Circuit Court Judge, Ms Evonne Murphy, will  enquire into the proprieties and improprieties (if any) of the treatment of clercial complaints in the archdiocese of Dublin. No one doubts Judge Murphy&#8217;s competence or professionalism; but everyone knows that a Circuit Court Judge cannot possibly trump a Bishop, and an Irish Bishop in Ireland at that! Talk about Cardinal Law! Of course the least that should have happened is that she be given the power of a High Court judge. Senior Counsel Sean Ryan was made up before he chaired the Commission on clerical complaints and the author of the Fern&#8217;s Report was a retiring High Court judge. So, what is the government up to,in spancelling the investigation it purportedly wants to make thorough? Again , no politicians have anything to say about this procedure, which must make one pause and ponder yet again the whole apparatus of Church and State in Ireland. </p>
<p>One cannot get away from the obvious. The Republic of Ireland may have freed itself from the British Empire,but it never managed to do so from the Holy Roman empire. Indeed, thinking of those three-to- four thousand schools, the power and sway the church has in matters of policy, ethics; the extensive pervasion of the secret society of Opus Dei; the absence of any difference between the parties in the State and the endless arrangements to meet every requirement the Church requires, forces one to an awful &#8212; almost Spanish conclusion &#8212; that the Irish Church has recently made a  phone call to one Generalissimo Franco and that he may soon arrive, if he isn&#8217;t already in Leinster House.</p>
<p><a href="http://WWW.IRISHCRIMINOLOGY.COM" rel="nofollow">http://WWW.IRISHCRIMINOLOGY.COM</a></p>
<p>Seamus Breathnach</p>
<p>the whole matter botched from beginning to end.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris O Driscoll</title>
		<link>http://blog.rymus.net/2005/10/25/ferns-clerical-abuse/#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris O Driscoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, it is fast becomming a fact of life that both the reputation and name of the catholic church has become tarnished. No matter what amount of money the church may pay out, it will never replace the innocence that these priests took. In times past, the priest of a locality enjoyed the respect of his congregation, he was seen as a representative of something that could not be 'bad', and yes, it was with disbelief that the public at large reacted when confronted with these allegations at first. Now, some years later, it has become everyday news, as yet another priest is exposed. These people were in a position of authority, and they abused that priviledge. The fact that the priest could be thought to do no wrong was in my opinion, what silenced a lot of these victims, after all, who would have believed them. I would think it a fact that back then, a parent would punish their child for making such an accusation. Too many of these victims have been covered up. These perpetrators were guilty in more than thought, their very actions in the deeds they committed speak horrifically for themselves. I do however agree with J Ryan on one thing, and that is why now. Yes a paedophile should be exposed and bought to justice to account for his actions, in order to prevent his or her doing it to future victims. The fact that the church is been seen to make "pay off's" to known victims focuses attention on what may be termed as moneygrabbing. How many people do you know of would refuse an opportunity for free money if it were proffered to them? However, if the catholic church were to allow its priests to marry, have children, as do other religions around the world, I strongly feel that many of these incidents over the years might never have happened. Its only speculation on my part, but who knows....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, it is fast becomming a fact of life that both the reputation and name of the catholic church has become tarnished. No matter what amount of money the church may pay out, it will never replace the innocence that these priests took. In times past, the priest of a locality enjoyed the respect of his congregation, he was seen as a representative of something that could not be &#8216;bad&#8217;, and yes, it was with disbelief that the public at large reacted when confronted with these allegations at first. Now, some years later, it has become everyday news, as yet another priest is exposed. These people were in a position of authority, and they abused that priviledge. The fact that the priest could be thought to do no wrong was in my opinion, what silenced a lot of these victims, after all, who would have believed them. I would think it a fact that back then, a parent would punish their child for making such an accusation. Too many of these victims have been covered up. These perpetrators were guilty in more than thought, their very actions in the deeds they committed speak horrifically for themselves. I do however agree with J Ryan on one thing, and that is why now. Yes a paedophile should be exposed and bought to justice to account for his actions, in order to prevent his or her doing it to future victims. The fact that the church is been seen to make &#8220;pay off&#8217;s&#8221; to known victims focuses attention on what may be termed as moneygrabbing. How many people do you know of would refuse an opportunity for free money if it were proffered to them? However, if the catholic church were to allow its priests to marry, have children, as do other religions around the world, I strongly feel that many of these incidents over the years might never have happened. Its only speculation on my part, but who knows&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: J Ryan</title>
		<link>http://blog.rymus.net/2005/10/25/ferns-clerical-abuse/#comment-315</link>
		<dc:creator>J Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the link to Matt Cooper's "Last Word" show.
I have viewed with interest the difficulties experienced by the Archdiocese of Boston Massachusetts recently, and I have to express my opinion of the recent allegations of abuse surfacing in Ireland.
My first concern is why now?
A great deal of money has been paid out to the "Victims" of these allegations. When I hear the words "Pain and Suffering" more than once, a little mercenary alarm goes off in my head. The victim is coming out now because he wants to reveal the truth. Maybe the truth would have come out better in 1999 when Father Fortune committed suicide.
Mr. Cooper presents the matter very sensationally.He should be ashamed of himself for the suggestion of a "Pedophile ring". I am concerned that he is indicting on accusations. I have gone through the Church educational system, and I was taught that thinking about sin is considered sin. Many of the Clergy that I have known would act guilty when they are not guilty in deed, but may be guilty in thought.
The predators present themselves as victims and help themselves to the "Big Pockets" of the Church because of the courtroom demenor of the accused. Mr. Bennet has a bright future with a loving family in his future, but no one is going to give him any money for that.
In conclusion, I believe that Mr. Bennet has been a victim of an outrageous preditor, and he is in my prayers. I am surprised that such a man would become a clergyman. Mr Cooper wishes to be the next Gerry Springer.
J Ryan - Connecticut</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the link to Matt Cooper&#8217;s &#8220;Last Word&#8221; show.<br />
I have viewed with interest the difficulties experienced by the Archdiocese of Boston Massachusetts recently, and I have to express my opinion of the recent allegations of abuse surfacing in Ireland.<br />
My first concern is why now?<br />
A great deal of money has been paid out to the &#8220;Victims&#8221; of these allegations. When I hear the words &#8220;Pain and Suffering&#8221; more than once, a little mercenary alarm goes off in my head. The victim is coming out now because he wants to reveal the truth. Maybe the truth would have come out better in 1999 when Father Fortune committed suicide.<br />
Mr. Cooper presents the matter very sensationally.He should be ashamed of himself for the suggestion of a &#8220;Pedophile ring&#8221;. I am concerned that he is indicting on accusations. I have gone through the Church educational system, and I was taught that thinking about sin is considered sin. Many of the Clergy that I have known would act guilty when they are not guilty in deed, but may be guilty in thought.<br />
The predators present themselves as victims and help themselves to the &#8220;Big Pockets&#8221; of the Church because of the courtroom demenor of the accused. Mr. Bennet has a bright future with a loving family in his future, but no one is going to give him any money for that.<br />
In conclusion, I believe that Mr. Bennet has been a victim of an outrageous preditor, and he is in my prayers. I am surprised that such a man would become a clergyman. Mr Cooper wishes to be the next Gerry Springer.<br />
J Ryan - Connecticut</p>
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